Part II Minute 67 – Ollivander’s Dress Shop

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Lorraine picks up her dress from a nearby shop and is harassed by Biff.

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4 thoughts on “Part II Minute 67 – Ollivander’s Dress Shop

  1. [01:21]
    I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone call their penis their “right-hand man”. AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    [03:15]
    It’s happened to me a couple times when I bought something that I thought was the bomb, and I couldn’t stop taking it out of the box and admiring it?

    Another idea is that when Lorraine went looking for a dress for prom the first time, they didn’t have that specific dress when she was there, but when she was looking through a catalog, she decided to order it, and there would be enough time to alter it if needed. And then she and Babs are picking up the dress, and it is even more awesome than it had looked in the catalog.

    [08:36]
    Classic bullying is “I’m going to do what I want, and what other people think or feel about it is unimportant.” Case in point, Biff’s whole thing with Lorraine. He feels entitled to her, period. She is a pretty girl, he wants to have sex and/or marry her. Therefore, he deserves to have her, and her objections are ignored because they are counter to what he desires.

    [08:48]
    Sexual harassment is a special kind of hell, because Lorraine isn’t just having to suffer through Biff’s crap. She’s also being reduced to what Biff wants from her, and her wishes are immaterial. And the kicker is that, in the ’50s, Biff is “just being a boy”, and Lorraine “shouldn’t have tempted him to do such bad things”. Unfortunately, it’s still like that, and because you guys are stand-up guys, this is hard for you to watch.

    What I really like about this scene, though, is the fact that Lorraine stands up to him, even though he’s bigger, stronger, and meaner than she is. Her declaring that she would never be his girl even if he had a million dollars is why she’s married to him in Hell Valley, because that was a dare, and it was a challenge to his entitlement. The rules of the game are that Biff gets whatever he wants, and he wins all the time. And if something happens to counter that, he will crush it as thoroughly as he can with all the rage and bitterness he can muster until he finally gets what he wants.

    [09:58]
    It’s an indicator of just how small a town Hill Valley is that there would be a flyer for the high school dance somewhere downtown. It’s not even anywhere near the school itself, but if there’s a student who hasn’t heard of it, they’ll see the flyer, and oh, hey, there’s a dance. Hell, I wonder if there’s even more than one high school in Hill Valley. Like, if they wanted to do any sports, they’d have to either take a bus to Hayesville, or Hayesville would have to take a bus to them.

    [10:23]
    Not only that, but if teenage drinking is one of those instances where it’s polite to look the other way and pretend that the young whippersnappers were just being kids, haha, then the adults would be aware that there might be drunk kids out on the road, or something.

    [10:51]
    What’s really annoying (and quite a statement) is the fact that, out of all the high school students that we see in 1955? Biff is the most physically attractive. If he weren’t such an incredible asshole, he would probably be swimming in girls. Aesthetically, young Tom F. Wilson is very, very pretty, and it’s a testament to how much of a massive douche Biff is that everyone who knows him wants to stay away from him, except for his gang. Him being incredibly attractive also says something, because it’s been the best-looking guys I’ve known who have been the biggest shitheads because they knew they could get away with murder because of how good-looking they were.

    [11:37]
    Does that mean that Biff and Lorraine are Alvin and Brittany? Who would be Simon and Jeanette, then?

    [12:10]
    Okay, I like that explanation a lot. Betty would be a total bro to do that for Lorraine. (She would be Jeanette, but who would be Simon? 3-D or Skinhead?)

    [13:07]
    I had never actually heard that phrase before watching Back to the Future before (even in the years between when I saw it as a kid and when I saw it again as an adult), so I hadn’t been aware that both Marty and Biff got the saying wrong. Oops.

    [16:47]
    Awww, I’m Lady Leaper 182? You’re so sweet. <3 *gentle cheek pinch*

    • I’m with Leaper pulling out the dress to twirl it is a classic girl thing. When you have a new dress and are just so excited st how pretty it is it doesn’t matter you need to keep looking at it

    • I really like the idea you have about Lorraine ordering her dress. Especially because Hill Valley is such a small town; the dress shop likely didn’t have a huge selection (the formal-wear market overall was probably very limited) and mail order/mass produced goods were getting big in the 1950s.

      I don’t think it’s been mentioned here, but one of the comments the first movie makes is about how a quaint small town gets run down when mass production picks up and a mall opens nearby, effectively killing mom-and-pop shops and leaving them to be replaced with theaters showing Orgy: American Style. If Lorraine did in fact order her dress through a catalog, we can see the start of this change in 1955. SO COOL.

  2. I grew up in a town like Hill Valley where all the businesses were centered in one area down the street from the HS (right up the street from the train station and close to the old factory- hence the town planning) and we’d post flyers down there for school stuff. mostly ads for fundraisers and the play (as if an adult without children involved in it really wanted to see a US production of Pippinew or Brigadoon) but I feel like big dances would be there too. Though to be fair in my too cool for school HS they only sponsored a junior formal and senior prom

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