Part II Minute 45 – Tannenville

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Marty explores the hellscape of a Biff-ified Hill Valley Courthouse Square.

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3 thoughts on “Part II Minute 45 – Tannenville

  1. Biff based on Trump is not a 2015 Ret-Con

    I know it was talked about a lot during the 2015 BTTF craze, but I’m pretty sure Gale mentions in back on the 2002 DVD commentary. Specifically he points out the portrait of Biff that covers the wall safe is a copy of a very similar portrait Trump had done of himself.

  2. The way to fix the plothole of how Hell Valley Biff was able to drop off the almanac is two things:

    1. Hilldale looks that incredibly weird/vaguely crappy in Hell Valley.
    2. The idea that it takes time for “temporal mistakes” to correct themselves.

    Case in point: Marty interfering with his parents meeting for the first time. His family starts fading away, starting with his brother, but Time gives Marty a chance to correct his mistake before the decision is locked in, and Marty is altered to change with the circumstances. In Marty’s case, he starts fading out until he engineers the meeting between George and Lorraine at the dance where Lorraine makes the decision to stay with George and stop pursuing Marty.

    In Biff’s case, what happens is that he goes back in time, creates the “temporal mistake”, and gives himself the almanac. Because he deliberately leaves 1955 and has made the decision to not take any action that could conceivably save his life (because he doesn’t realize he needs to), he ends up stumbling out of the DeLorean, falling down, and fading out of existence. From what I understand, in Hell Valley, Lorraine finally has enough during the ’90s and shoots Biff when she just can’t take it anymore.

    I imagine that after Biff gives his younger self the almanac in 1955, he starts having chest pains (much like whenever Marty is recoiling from that kind of pain in the first movie or during the video game), but he ignores it because he’s thinking “oh, I must’ve pulled a muscle driving the old car” or the fact that he’s in his 70s might have something to do with it. It’s only when he starts fading out of existence that, oops, he’s dead. Part of me wonders if Biff was shot in the chest, and that’s why he was recoiling that way.

    I agree with Shawn, though. In the 25th anniversary DVD commentary, they specifically mention that they modeled Biff on Trump, and I remember the bit they talk about with the portrait of Biff being a replica of one done for Trump. The comparisons are hard to miss. I think the only reason that Biff doesn’t have a bad toupee in Hell Valley is because he’s got more sense than that. If you look at revised!Biff, his hair is pretty bad and kind of like Trump’s.

    Chris chuckles over video games being great teaching tools for learning how to shoot people, but it actually happened. I remember hearing about one shooting when I was a kid where the guy shot six bullets and hit seven people, and people kept saying that the reason the guy had hit so many was because he had played Doom a lot. And then I also heard that some organization that uses soldiers (or soldier-like people) used Doom in order to train them to shoot people, or something like that. (It’s been a long time since I was a kid, though.)

  3. Aside from fitting in with Hellscape that is now Hill Valley, the tank might also be a callback to the tank in 1955. xoxo

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