Part II Minute 36 – Fired

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Marty Sr is goaded into accepting Needles’ offer and then gets caught by “the Jits”.

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2 thoughts on “Part II Minute 36 – Fired

  1. My favorite thing about the Swordfish in Marty’s den is that it is from Doc’s lab. It is the only hint of Doc in 2015-Marty’s life. So, it this timeline, Marty must have inherited it when Doc passed away. Which…just makes my head hurt to figure out when/how that would have happened.

  2. If there was a Special Edition of the BTTF trilogy, I would so buy it. I dunno if they could’ve gotten MJF’s kids to play Marty’s kids (it would’ve been interesting if Aquinnah and Schuyler played the kids and one of them was in drag as a boy), but imagining it is fascinating. 😀

    Marty is putting his card into his briefcase? Wow. O_O

    I know that you guys have already gone past this minute, but there’s a split second where you can see Flea glancing offscreen, like he’s working with someone on the scam. That had to be how the Jitz found out about it, because there’s no way he could’ve fired Marty two seconds later without having known beforehand that Marty had interfaced with the system. Even if he hadn’t known it was Marty, I imagine the Jitz would’ve interrogated Marty, and then let him have it with both barrels.

    Still, I think that Needles had been a rat and started with the scheme, but he got caught by the Jitz. Instead of getting bounced immediately, Needles comes up with a BS story about how he was only doing it in order to weed out the bad workers in the company, and make sure that only the honorable ones were still on the payroll. And he turns over his coworkers to the Jitz so they can be fired.

    Like, it started out as Needles being a dick and trying to cash in on the company, but then it turns into this insidious loyalty test to the company.

    One of the things I noticed about the Likes and Dislikes thing is that it reminds me of manga/anime databooks and things that the creators of the manga will put out to tell fans about their characters. Like, there’s the usual, “this is how strong he is, this is how smart he is, this is how good he is at magic” but there’s always a section for favorite food and least favorite food. (There’s also thing about “the person he most wants to fight is X”, but that doesn’t really apply here because Marty’s not a shinobi, or a pirate, or a shinigami.)

    Basically, if there’s a section for favorite food and least favorite food, it’s kind of another little thing that shows that Japanese culture has really come into America in this version of 2015. Now, I don’t know if the Bobs did their research that extensively into Japanese culture, but maybe they lucked out on something that they were sort of guessing at? (Considering that Mr. Fujitsu is essentially like naming someone Mr. General Motors, they might’ve had a really good guess in a million.)

    The thing that gets to me about this Marty is the fact that there is thirty years of characterization that we have no clue about. We get hints of it — Needles was involved in the car accident that made Marty’s life go down the tubes — but we don’t get to see *how* that affected Marty. What did Marty do when he found out that he couldn’t play guitar anymore? What did he do after high school? What did he do to pay the medical bills with his hand? Did he try to sue Needles for the damages and lose because it was his fault for drag racing too? What was he doing for thirty years? If he’s 47, and the kids are 17, then he was 30 when they were born. What was he doing between the ages of 17 and 30, after the car accident? There are so many unanswered questions that this 2015 doesn’t answer. Sometimes, you can get away with that, but when this Marty is such a serious departure from the Marty we know and love, we really need some of those answers before we can accept that this is our Marty.

    (omg, your crush on Marty’s cutest little butt is showing, hee hee!)

    Funny you guys should talk about faxes going away. They’re still around! My sister still has to fax forms in from time to time — both of us had to fax a form to request our master’s degree transcripts. And there’s a bunch of people who come to the library who still have to fax things in. There’s some that have to print out something, scan it, and email it back, but there’s just as many people who need to fax, even for the US government. Now, the everyday use of faxing? That’s pretty much done. But when you have important business to transact, and you need to fax a form in? That’s still a thing.

    Faxing had to go to business only because fax machines have to have their own phone line just because of the nature of the beast. Scanning, using the internet, all that stuff? We have wireless. Faxing and phone calls? We still need phones. It’s so *weird*.

    The idea of young-Jennifer pricking her finger and old-Jennifer feeling it is weird because anything that happens to young-Jennifer would be thirty years old by 2015? Unless young-Jennifer broke her arm or did something serious, it really shouldn’t affect old-Jennifer like that. :\

    Using Doc’s quote in this scene feels like an insult to Doc. D:

    Marty’s kids aren’t slackers, they’re implied to be losers, and Norman’s in remedial classes. The way Norman reads in the script is not that he’s lazy and unmotivated; it’s that he’s either really stupid or possibly even mentally disabled in some way. The fact that the script is conflating the two is really, really bad. Like, no, if a person is mentally disabled, it’s not that they’re lazy, it’s that they either learn things a different way, or they might be limited in the things they can learn in the first place. Sadly, in the ’80s, I can see the mentality of abled people being that the mentally disabled really are just lazy and aren’t trying hard enough (which is such a toxic mindset), but I’m really glad that the script got revised because if Norman really is mentally ill, talk about the horrible message that would’ve sent to fans. :O

    Oh, God, this monologue is the most horrible, clunky thing in existence, even though it gives me what I wanted from earlier in the podcast — the characterization from the past 30 years — and HOLY SHIT, JENNIFER WANTS A DIVORCE. WHOA.

    Now, one of the things that I’ve always found interesting about this version of 2015 is that it’s the “bad” version of the future, where Marty is a loser and his life sucks. But most importantly, that he and Jennifer are married and have kids. Yes, it’s a mirror of George and Lorraine, but the fact that Marty and Jennifer were married in the “bad” future made me wonder if, in the “good” future, that they never got married (like, if they broke up after high school because Jennifer went off to college or something). In this draft, it’s more explicit that the “bad” future means that Jennifer only puts up with Marty’s shit for so long before she finally taps out.

    I hadn’t thought of Jennifer being attracted to Marty’s dreams, and Marty actively pursuing those dreams. That’s a warm fuzzy take on her that I like. (The idea that Marty gave up on his music because it wouldn’t make him a millionaire is kind of sad because I always got the impression that he played guitar because he genuinely loved it, and that his problem in the first movie was that he wasn’t confident enough to risk getting hurt by potentially being rejected by a record company.)

    The idea of Jennifer being a security guard is really, really interesting. There was one draft where Marty was a valet driver, and one where he was just flat-out unemployed, but Jennifer has a job as a security guard. Most of the time, when you think of security guards, you think of them as either (A) people who wanted to be cops, but couldn’t hack it, and had to settle for something in the same line of work, but easier to get a job in, or (B) rent-a-cops. Jennifer got a job that’s potentially dangerous, where she might carry a gun, and she is usually tasked with protecting a place of business, either during the night shift, or maybe during the day. (I keep thinking that she would be night shift in this draft, but I have no idea why.) For Jennifer to do that instead of Marty is interesting because when you think of the “who works in what field” divide in a married couple household, you would tend to assume that the guy is the security guard, and the woman is either the housewife or the valet driver. But this kind of shows that Jennifer is not only the more responsible of the pair, but also that she’s willing to put in the hard work, whereas this version of Marty is always looking for the next get-rich-quick scheme.

    (With this evolution of scripts, it makes more sense that Marty would want to buy the almanac, but my mental headcanon for Marty always had trouble reconciling why he became this money-grubbing guy in Part 2, both the younger version of himself, and the older. The only way that I could figure out why he would be interested in money as his younger self was (A) his family never had enough money in the original timeline, which has made him slightly obsessed with making sure he has enough, and (B) the revised timeline McFlys had more material things, and original!Marty is subtly being influenced by that timeline’s upbringing, even though he himself is from a different timeline.)

    Man, I just said a lot. Sorry, guys! @_@

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