Part II Minute 25 – Four Ps and a Why

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Doc finds the almanac and warns Marty about abusing time travel for financial gain.

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  1. The thing about Doc is that he’s an optimist. Even if an experiment blows up in his face and he’s just flushed hundreds of dollars down the toilet because he had a theory he wanted to test out, he just mentally shrugs it off because he learned something. Meanwhile, Marty is staring in abject horror because omg, do you realize just how much money you just blew on this?!

    Doc will see how information can benefit mankind, but Marty can see the practical applications of it — i.e. is it profitable? Now, Marty in Part 1 doesn’t show himself to be all about the dollar signs. When he learns that Doc stole plutonium from terrorists, he’s concerned because Doc just painted a massive target on his back (which the terrorists actually use at the very beginning of the movie). Marty cares about Doc, but at the same time, I feel like Marty has to be a bit of a mom with him because Doc’s the kind of ivory tower intellectual that (A) doesn’t think about consequences, and (B) doesn’t think in terms of “oh yeah, I haven’t eaten in three days, that might be why I’m so light-headed”.

    What’s especially interesting is that Doc is breaking rules left and right, but he’s doing it for his best friend’s benefit. Or else, why bother coming back to 1985 to get Marty and bring him to the future in order to fix whatever happened to Marty’s kids? Marty doesn’t care about those kids because he’s never met them. He’s not their father (yet), and while he’s a nice enough guy, it’s not like he has this Good Guy Martyr complex where he has to solve everybody’s problems for them, or else he would’ve tried even harder to train George to not be a loser dipstick in Part 1.

    Because Doc has that morality where it’s okay to change things for myself and my best friend because we’re Good People, the realization that all of his actions have consequences in Part 3 is important because he needed to understand that he’s meddling with time. He saved someone’s life who had originally died, just because he was a good person. There was no way to tell if Clara was going to be a horrible person who changed things a lot by being alive — we know she’s lovely and awesome, but Doc didn’t know that when they first met.

    The movie makes a point of showing that if a Bad Person changes time to benefit them, the whole city goes into the shitter. But because Doc and Marty are Good People with Good Intentions, the city doesn’t really change. (I like how they play with this concept in the game, though, because Doc still thinks he’s a Good Person, but holy hell, what he does to Hill Valley in that alternate timeline.)

    (I love how petting Einstein is never not an option. <3)

    HAHAHA, "when bae likes sports". Oh, Doc, bb. It's okay. Marty just wants to make money. <3

    I know you guys didn't mean to say "pratfalls", but that was hilarious. <3

    I would argue that Doc is Neutral Good or Lawful Neutral. If he's Neutral Good, he doesn't give a shit about the laws because he wants the plutonium to power his time machine, but he wants to see where humanity is going, see where humanity has been, but he doesn't want to benefit himself. Neutral Good is seen as "True Good" in Pathfinder because you're doing good things, whether you follow the laws or break them. Lawful Neutral might be tough because that stereotype is that they follow the laws as written, no matter what, and Doc is willing to break the laws.

    Hmmm. Maybe Doc's Chaotic Good? He's comfortable with breaking the law in order to do good things, and he might follow his own idea of what the best course of action is in any given situation?

    I think Rick Sanchez is more Chaotic Neutral than anything else because he does what he wants, and he doesn't care if he's doing good or evil. He cares about Morty (as much as he says otherwise), and being alive, and that's about it. He doesn't actively torture people just to torture people. There's that one alien in his secret basement lab in S2 where he had the alien there in order to develop a cure for space AIDS, but it was so that he could patent it and make millions instead of for some altruistic purpose. He was doing all sorts of good and bad things with regard to the alien just because he wanted a specific thing and he was just mentally shrugging and saying fuck it, let's do this.

    Geez, I'm glad they changed that from the paradox draft. I don't like the idea of Doc just jumping ahead a day in the middle of the shenanigans in order to see if it worked. Given that Marty had been running around with a picture in 1955 to see if his family was still intact, I like the idea of Doc in the final product having grabbed a newspaper from the day ahead and using it like Marty does. That way, he's not leaving Marty entirely on his own to deal with this stuff.

    Doc might think that Marty is capable of completely dealing with this stuff on his own, but I also wonder if Doc forgets that Marty's 17, and can get into trouble and need help sometimes. With having met Marty in 1955, he might overestimate Marty's abilities, given what he saw Marty do then.

    Sweet God, Marlene committed *suicide* in the paradox draft?! Damn, I'm glad that she tries to break her bonehead twin brother out of jail instead. @_@

    I definitely agree with you about all of the exposition happening right in that one scene — it feels so awkward to introduce and close out the context without the characters having a chance to interact with the world without having that context in place, if that makes any sense.

    On the one hand, I really like the Goldie Wilson Memorial place and the introduction of Uncle Dave, but I thought that Norman was supposed to be played by Crispin Glover? There is no way at all that Crispin Glover and MJF look alike. How would Dave be able to confuse them unless he'd somehow gone selectively blind at that moment?

    Okay, so Dave mentioning that "Norman" has his mother's eyes is *hilarious* because both Jennifers have brown eyes, and Marty had blue eyes. If Dave is close enough to remark on "Norman's" eye color, he would notice right away that he's got Marty's baby blues, and not Jennifer's eyes, and he would know that this either isn't Norman, or it is, and he'd ask if Norman was wearing contacts or something.

    Dave is really weird in this scene because we didn't see more than a snapshot of revised-Dave at the end of Part 1. Yeah, instead of working at a fast food place, he's wearing a suit to the office, but why would he be picking on his own father if his father is a successful writer in the revised timeline? Is George that easygoing with his eldest? I could see revised-Dave definitely picking on original-George, but by virtue of the timeline changing, Dave had to become revised-Dave when George became revised-George. Were they trying to hint that revised-Dave was very much an Alex P. Keaton type without ever breathing a syllable about Family Ties?

    That being said, I'm intrigued by this new wrinkle. I like seeing more of Dave and Linda because we didn't really get to know them all that well in Part 1, and since Marty changed history, it's like these two are brand new people. And I'm definitely wondering about the hospital too. Since Grandma would be disappointed if Norman didn't show up, I'm wondering if something happened to George? Or if George had a stroke and is on life support or something?

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